tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post8200800535992333453..comments2024-03-27T18:54:46.951+00:00Comments on Syniadau :: The Blog: How Plaid Cymru Works - 16Syniadauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13876017048168055247noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-8305136206449467582014-03-01T16:43:56.171+00:002014-03-01T16:43:56.171+00:00Anon, 12:04, There is no border ......... but you ...Anon, 12:04, There is no border ......... but you can happily build one if your countrymen agree (always assuming you have the money to afford and the necessary skills to build). <br /><br />That's democracy.<br /><br />I'd like to see a bit of democracy in Plaid Cymru too. Or must we always run to the English in search of fair play.kphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03313438657508449613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-90813348355131313192014-03-01T12:04:52.915+00:002014-03-01T12:04:52.915+00:00Those Left in Plaid believe that anyone/everyone l...Those Left in Plaid believe that anyone/everyone living in Wales are Welsh, that's why we must build more houses for those who come over the border!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-67295782461562449562014-02-28T17:05:49.458+00:002014-02-28T17:05:49.458+00:00I very much wonder whether Leigh Richards' and...I very much wonder whether Leigh Richards' and anon 11.51's advice, if taken, would result in any change of heart amongst Plaid Cymru's "great and good". They are at it in so many areas, undermining one's faith.<br /><br /> I am most concerned about what has happened to the University of Wales. whereby the graduates, the largest body of UW's members, have been denied, quite unconstitutionally, any say in the matter of its break-up (following the Wigley Report - yes, that's the one!). Simon Thomas was instructed by Conference to bring the matter up in the Assembly. He has failed to do so in the way Conference passed (and the debate in Conference was riddled with interference from party officials, who did not adhere to the rules, but sought to undermine the proposal by a long-serving PC supporter).<br /><br />Closure of rural schools, building unnecessary houses - all supported by PC councillors in Gwynedd and Anglesey. The rot has spread too far. <br /><br /> <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-82950316756700641712014-02-28T16:44:35.288+00:002014-02-28T16:44:35.288+00:00Matters of a legal substance cannot be far away.
...Matters of a legal substance cannot be far away.<br /><br />I suspect Plaid may find itself unable to carry on a political party unless and until certain key issues in the public domain are resolved and claims for compensation have been addressed.<br /><br />Are these party matters or matters relating to a handful of individuals purporting to represent the party?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-61074164424336119232014-02-28T15:03:31.404+00:002014-02-28T15:03:31.404+00:00hey well said anon 11.51...your comments and sugge...hey well said anon 11.51...your comments and suggestions are the most sensible things ive read so far in this sorry and embarrassing debacle, and i would urge elin and michael to take the wise course of action you have suggested. then perhaps we can begin to sort this matter out like grown ups, else more loyal hardworking grassroots members will be feeling the way jim and neilyn understandably do. Leigh Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598475954140926742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-50869612653747722052014-02-28T13:28:10.545+00:002014-02-28T13:28:10.545+00:00Sort this mess out Plaid, and quick. As things sta...Sort this mess out Plaid, and quick. As things stand, I don't feel like stomping the streets on behalf of Jill Evans MEP in a few weeks time.Neilynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-74449540679260467012014-02-28T11:51:31.940+00:002014-02-28T11:51:31.940+00:00I suggest, as an interim measure, before things go...I suggest, as an interim measure, before things go any further, that Elin Jones withdraws her complaint against Michael, and that he withdraws his against the four individuals.<br /><br />No more vindictiveness, please.<br /><br />The issue of party discipline needs to be thrashed out, in detail, at the next Conference, covering issues such as public pronouncements by elected members which misrepresent party policy and ensuring that future candidates for selection agree to follow party policy when dealing with the media.<br /><br />Enough damage has already been done. My confidence in what's going on at Ty Gwynfor is already dented. It's beginning to sound like a party of an elite clique, of which I want no part, unless it's sorted, quickly.<br /><br />I already feel like reaching for the phone right now and dialling 02920472272 to cancel my direct debit.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-72794736992248520532014-02-28T11:13:04.460+00:002014-02-28T11:13:04.460+00:00As a Plaid member I have a few comments to make, b...As a Plaid member I have a few comments to make, but in the first instance I think Michael should be thanked and commended for having the courage to go public with this information. I think it's safe to say that the (mis-) conduct of senior figures and officers in Plaid has forced him to adopt the role of "whistle-blower" in relation to what to what I can only describe as gross misconduct within the higher echelons of Plaid. <br /><br />No doubt those at the top in Plaid (and we can safely dispense with the myth of participatory democracy and "decentralist socialism" at this point) will be infuriated at the fact that he's used his blog to do so. But I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better example of blogging as the unofficial "Fifth Estate" in a Wales where the traditional media works largely to nullify and diffuse dissent rather than articulate it. <br /><br />As a member of Plaid, I can't say I'm surprised with this. What sickens and appalls me is the sheer extent to which a grassroots member and activist has been systematically hounded for simply attempting to uphold party policy, as democratically agreed by the members. Let me re-iterate. This is a witch-hunt. <br /><br />I have to say that during the Ynys Mon by-election campaign I disagreed with Michael's public condemnation of Rhun ap Iorwerth on the basis that I felt he was being a stickler for the rules and that flexibility should be exercised in picking "the right man for the job". In the light of subsequent events I feel now that perhaps this point of view was rather misplaced. <br /><br />In the first instance incontrovertible evidence has been provided to the effect that Rhun ap Iorwerth lied about Party policy on a public media outlet. My position on Nuclear power is that I am against it, and on that it accords with the view of the membership. To bend the rules of the Party in order to allow an individual to assume candidacy, and then for that individual in short order to go on to publicly flout Party policy may be worth swallowing for the sake of short-term victory in Ynys Mon, but what about the long-term ramifications for Plaid’s credibility across the rest of Wales? Nid Cymru oll yw Ynys Mon, wedi’r cyfan…<br /><br />As a member of Plaid Cymru, this matter raises questions which are directly relevant to me:<br /><br />1) To what extent will my democratically expressed views as a Party member be upheld by elected representatives who are the public face of Plaid Cymru?<br /><br />2) What basis of trust do I now have in my dealings with officers who I know full well can willingly flout Party rules to cater to interest groups? <br /><br />3) What recourse do I really have if I express discontent with the current state of affairs? Will I be subjected to the same treatment? <br /><br />4) Finally, what confidence do I have in a Leader who appears to be unwilling to uphold and defend the stated policy of the Party against attempts to flout and misrepresent it?<br /><br /> Either our Leader is the voice of the members, or not. <br /><br /> No doubt other members will balk at the airing of “dirty laundry” in the public domain in this way. Yet who are we to champion democracy in Wales if we cannot uphold democracy within our own Party? We are hypocrites and will not be trusted by the electorate. This state of affairs has gone to far and if the leadership of the Party cannot be relied upon to address it, then it’s up to us to do something about it as grass-roots members.<br /><br />Dros Gymru,<br /><br />James Michael Dunckley,<br />Gower Branch, Plaid Cymru. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-20104516750406734952014-02-28T09:34:57.870+00:002014-02-28T09:34:57.870+00:00Although I'm not a Plaid member, I suppose I f...Although I'm not a Plaid member, I suppose I fall under the banner of a "Plaid Cymru blogger". I suspect this is drawing to an end now, which is all I'm waiting for. Patience, Shambo. Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04347494808853759106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-1354561376648113872014-02-28T09:02:02.072+00:002014-02-28T09:02:02.072+00:00What must be very dispiriting is the total absence...What must be very dispiriting is the total absence of supportive comment from other Plaid Cymru bloggers. In fact, there hasn't been any comment. What a gutless bunch.shambonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-905698361755412492014-02-28T07:49:59.573+00:002014-02-28T07:49:59.573+00:00A party that needs a bunch of new faces. And soon....A party that needs a bunch of new faces. And soon.<br /><br />Good riddance to old rubbish!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-56412728086654984452014-02-28T07:16:41.130+00:002014-02-28T07:16:41.130+00:00Fascinating. ....So, in the world that Plaid inhab...Fascinating. ....So, in the world that Plaid inhabit, a successful appeal leads not to the dropping of the case but to re-instating the original complaint and having another go at the stitch up.<br /><br />You have to feel sorry for Elin Jones; first the badgers escape her deathly embrace and then MH gets away. It's no wonder other Plaid bloggers are so careful to be un-critical of the Soviet. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com