tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post8157572743703025028..comments2024-03-27T18:54:46.951+00:00Comments on Syniadau :: The Blog: How Plaid Cymru Works - 22Syniadauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13876017048168055247noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-55531693390133865812014-06-28T21:45:10.622+01:002014-06-28T21:45:10.622+01:00When John Dixon complained about Sian Caiach, and ...When John Dixon complained about Sian Caiach, and she was expelled from the party, it came back to bite them as HMJ failed to win Llanelli. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-22174652596247064672014-06-28T17:57:24.536+01:002014-06-28T17:57:24.536+01:00Surely if Plaid now formally changed its stance to...Surely if Plaid now formally changed its stance to pro-nuclear throughout Wales that would be consistant and acceptable? Welsh nuclear energy would be nothing like the despoiled and ugly English version. Ours would be clean and "mountain spring pure" with a fresh lemon odour and any waste could be collected by the local bin men every two weeks. Little old ladies in Landaf could warm their brown toast on it. Martin Shipton could power his old laptop and Menna Richards fuel her ex BBC taxi. It's a win win win scenario. Votes a plenty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-73514448421640950852014-06-28T16:03:36.093+01:002014-06-28T16:03:36.093+01:00You're guessing again.You're guessing again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-52318387789404931822014-06-28T14:28:50.939+01:002014-06-28T14:28:50.939+01:00She expressed interest to Plaid Cymru, and someone...She expressed interest to Plaid Cymru, and someone in Plaid Cymru then confirmed it to the media.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-60375441160281886492014-06-28T14:18:58.602+01:002014-06-28T14:18:58.602+01:00She expressed interest to the media. Hence Wales ...She expressed interest to the media. Hence Wales Online's story. That's as far as it got. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-73334500598072028912014-06-28T14:16:07.218+01:002014-06-28T14:16:07.218+01:00It is clear that Angharad must have expressed some...It is clear that Angharad must have expressed some interest. You're saying that because she didn't make a formal application she can't have expressed an interest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-59786016007109151632014-06-28T14:01:17.080+01:002014-06-28T14:01:17.080+01:00It subsequently transpired that AM hadn't put ...It subsequently transpired that AM hadn't put her name forward. Wales On Line was wrong, but didn't have the benefit of hindsight. Mr Haggett was also wrong, but did have the benifit of hindsight.<br /><br />This is what he said regarding rules - But what does that say about the way Plaid Cymru operates as a party? Do we want to be seen as a party in which vested interests can chop and change the rules as they see fit? <br /><br />There was no chopping rules, no changing rules, no vested interests. An application was made to the NEC by an individual, not a vested interest. The application was allowed, and the decision to do so was entirely within the rules of the party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-24722307658013850422014-06-28T13:49:06.908+01:002014-06-28T13:49:06.908+01:00Why don't you read the link to the Western Mai...Why don't you read the link to the Western Mail article that MH provided? It says:<br /><br />"PLAID CYMRU sources say the party’s ruling national executive is to consider whether rules should be relaxed to enable TV presenter Angharad Mair to stand as an MP."<br /><br />That provides the basis for what MH said. Clear as crystal.<br /><br />You're trying to split hairs over this rules business as well. There is a rule that allows the NEC to waive the 12 month rule. So what's your problem? The 12 month rule WAS waived, which is what MH said. You're barking up the wrong tree if you want to catch MH out for not telling the truth. But Rhun DEFINITELY didn't tell the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-57887025180826025432014-06-28T12:59:11.276+01:002014-06-28T12:59:11.276+01:00MH (not NH, sorry) never said the NEC "bent&q...MH (not NH, sorry) never said the NEC "bent" the rules. They waived the 12 month rule, as they were perfectly entitled to do, and what he said that it was a mistake for them to do it because Rhun was an unknown quantity and they were taking a big risk.<br /><br />Angharad Mair was interested in becoming candidate for Carmarthen East, and did make overtures to the party about it. All you're saying is that she didn't make an OFFICIAL application, which you might be right about. But MH never said she did. He said she expressed an interest. Get your facts right.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-35659240004378542352014-06-28T12:53:23.199+01:002014-06-28T12:53:23.199+01:00Children pleeeeze! Back to your desks now and stop...Children pleeeeze! Back to your desks now and stop all this fighting! How can you hope to be leaders of the Nation one day if you keep shouting rude slogans and waving spent plutonium rods in the air! You may well have found them in Ms Wood's big green bin bag but that's no excuse! No MH, you can't raise a point of order about the dinner ladies all turning bright orange! Quiet!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-17005777517963489262014-06-28T12:43:23.169+01:002014-06-28T12:43:23.169+01:00Well it wasn't the most unexpected of endings ...Well it wasn't the most unexpected of endings but somehow I feel Syniadau will continue regardless.shambonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-1339932153217009792014-06-28T12:39:03.197+01:002014-06-28T12:39:03.197+01:00If you read through the entire lot you'll find...If you read through the entire lot you'll find a large number of stuff that aren't factually accurate - right at the beginning there are allegations that the NEC bent the rules to allow Rhun to stand & that Angharad Mair put her name forward for Carmathen East. Both claims are untrue. <br /><br />My take would be that Mr Haggett was mistaken, although checking up would have been fairly easy. I wouldn't dream of refering to Mr Haggett as a liar and a hypocrite on that basis, and especially so if I were a fellow party member.<br /><br />There are numerous other inaccuracies - as one would expect over such a protracted exercise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-72800039858666836882014-06-28T12:29:24.768+01:002014-06-28T12:29:24.768+01:00Me again.
And pray tell, what allegations did NH ...Me again.<br /><br />And pray tell, what allegations did NH make that were "factually untrue"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-60279159698365660032014-06-28T12:26:54.357+01:002014-06-28T12:26:54.357+01:00A liar is someone who tells lies. It's a fact...A liar is someone who tells lies. It's a factual description based on the fact that what a person has said is untrue.<br /><br />Same with hypocrite, saying one thing to one group people (he told the public he was in favour of nuclear) and the opposite thing to another (he told party members he was against nuclear). <br /><br />Rhun ap Iorwerth is a proven, caught red-handed, liar and hypocrite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-83009225614486654952014-06-28T12:11:36.157+01:002014-06-28T12:11:36.157+01:00Those aren't personal comments - they're d...Those aren't personal comments - they're directed at what he has said, not what he is.<br /><br />Saying that something is untrue is one thing, calling somebody a liar and a hypocrite is quite another. <br /><br />Eli Jones could have called Mr Haggett a liar & hypocrite because a number of the allegations he made are factually untrue, but she didn't do that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-82023860285874117662014-06-28T12:03:19.686+01:002014-06-28T12:03:19.686+01:00@11:36. How about?
distressingly vicious and pers...@11:36. How about?<br /><br />distressingly vicious and personalised <br />appalled by the degree of vitriol and unsubstantiated allegations<br />far beyond acceptable comment<br />making of such scurrilous allegations <br /><br />But let's put it the other way round, shall we?<br /><br />Can you point to anything MH said that was abusive? According to you lot, the fact that MH called Rhun ap Iorwerth a liar is "hurling abuse".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-82177250028959113672014-06-28T11:52:15.246+01:002014-06-28T11:52:15.246+01:00Vote for Plaid ................................. b...Vote for Plaid ................................. but don't expect to get what you expect!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-44837365239997432592014-06-28T11:38:48.609+01:002014-06-28T11:38:48.609+01:00What used to be a decent blog is now primarily a p...What used to be a decent blog is now primarily a playground for multi-posting anti-Welsh trolls. Nice work, MH.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-84618672227990471942014-06-28T11:36:14.044+01:002014-06-28T11:36:14.044+01:00Can you point to vitriolic and personal comments b...Can you point to vitriolic and personal comments by Eli Jones 11.12?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-20635511563492413152014-06-28T11:21:58.471+01:002014-06-28T11:21:58.471+01:00Message to all Plaid Cymru members from Leanne Woo...Message to all Plaid Cymru members from Leanne Wood:<br /><br />'If you tell the truth, there's no room for you in our party'.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-61750481515324427552014-06-28T11:12:04.449+01:002014-06-28T11:12:04.449+01:00Mr Ap Iorwerth didn't tell his lie "in pr...Mr Ap Iorwerth didn't tell his lie "in private". He told it on radio and television broadcast to an audience of a few tens of 1,000's of people.<br /><br />This isn't "internal debate". Plaid Cymru's policy on nuclear is public knowledge. But Mr Ap Iowerth couldn't or wouldn't accept it, and told everybody that Plaid's policy was something it wasn't. Mr Ap Iorwerth was in the wrong, and he should have apologised at the time. If he had, things could have moved on. <br /><br />It's because politicians "operate on Mr Ap Iorwerth's basis" that Plaid is is such a shambles.<br /><br />If you want to play the "vitriolic and personal" card I suggest you read Eli Jones' comments again. They are vitriolic and personal.........and petty and spiteful..........and FACTUALLY WRONG, <br /><br />Truth isn't a luxury, it's an everyday basic that political parties throw away at their peril. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-2633485778189161602014-06-28T11:07:48.457+01:002014-06-28T11:07:48.457+01:00Well, it's only Mr Haggett that's throwing...Well, it's only Mr Haggett that's throwing abuse around - everybody else is behaving in a reasoned & professional manner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-7576681452258057452014-06-28T10:57:02.001+01:002014-06-28T10:57:02.001+01:00"If everybody involved
with Plaid operated on..."If everybody involved<br />with Plaid operated on Mr<br />Haggett's basis the party<br />would resemble a<br />collection of ferrets in a<br />sack."<br /><br />Oh, the irony!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-70586576715065024232014-06-28T10:50:28.621+01:002014-06-28T10:50:28.621+01:00It's significant that there is so much naivety...It's significant that there is so much naivety shown here by the author & many of the comments left here. Political parties can't conduct their internal debate in public, especially in the vitriolic & personal way Mr Haggett uses. If everybody involved with Plaid operated on Mr Haggett's basis the party would resemble a collection of ferrets in a sack.<br /><br />Mr Haggett is a little luxury Plaid, or indeed no other party can afford. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-50190329988591314122014-06-28T10:37:14.469+01:002014-06-28T10:37:14.469+01:0010:08, maybe if he hurled more abuse and encourage...10:08, maybe if he hurled more abuse and encouraged more people not to vote Plaid the party would start to win more seats with bigger majorities.<br /><br />Just saying!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com