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These windfarms ...I agree, Democratic Nationalist. These windfarms just appear by magic from nowhere, so no-one needs to be employed to build them. And they are completely maintenance free, so no-one needs to be employed to maintain them.<br /><br />But meanwhile, if you ever want a glimpse of the real world, I suggest you read <a href="http://syniadau--buildinganindependentwales.blogspot.com/2013/07/rhun-ap-iorwerth-lies-and-misleads.html?showComment=1375136972443#c3057040323621447789%22" rel="nofollow">this comment</a>.<br /><br />And as for their usefulness, the Rhiannon windfarm will produce more energy than Wylfa A did, as you'd know if you'd read <a href="http://syniadau--buildinganindependentwales.blogspot.com/2013/08/windfarms-historical-perspective.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-43199313866885340652013-08-31T22:32:29.884+01:002013-08-31T22:32:29.884+01:00Mae ynni gwynt a heuluol yn ddiddefnyddiol a nid d...Mae ynni gwynt a heuluol yn ddiddefnyddiol a nid dyn nhw'n creu swyddi o'r gwbl, yr hyn y gallen nhw ddefnyddio yn lle yw ynni dŵr, glo a daearthermol. Democratic Nationalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03865761324404076149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-31473000928612854862013-07-01T17:32:45.161+01:002013-07-01T17:32:45.161+01:00Look carefully at what I've said, Ioan. I hav...Look carefully at what I've said, Ioan. I haven't called Rhun an idiot or said that he doesn't have any political sense. I very much hope he'll show us that neither is true.<br /><br />Cai, I really don't understand what you're saying. In your last comment on my previous post you said that Rhun's position on Wylfa B was more or less identical to that of Heledd and Ann. Heledd is opposed to nuclear power, as she said <a href="http://www.heleddfychan.org/en/news_pages/first-debate-237.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. In your first comment on this post you seem to be saying that it was the position I've set out here that proved to be successful with the electorate in the Council elections a few weeks ago. If so, it was <b>very</b> successful. We got 34.3% of the equalized vote as opposed to Labour's 17.8%, and we won 12 seats as opposed to Labour's 3. So what on earth is the problem? Rhun simply has to express <b>both</b> his opposition to Wylfa B <b>and</b> that he will fight to ensure that local people get something out of it <b>if</b> it goes ahead. <br /><br />I hesitate to say this, but I think I am one of the people in Plaid who has spoken out most consistently against Wylfa B. From that position I think I can safely say that if Rhun does <b>both</b> these things rather than just <b>one</b> of them, he will satisfy virtually everybody in the party. An issue that has made Plaid a laughing stock in the past will at last have been resolved.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-29117162641788277792013-07-01T16:29:16.299+01:002013-07-01T16:29:16.299+01:00Look - this is essentially simple - viewing things...Look - this is essentially simple - viewing things from this side of the country anyway.<br /><br />Labour have little chance of winning the election in ordinary circimstances. However if they manage to turn the election into a referendum on WylfaB they give themselves a chance as a lot of people on the island support the power station.<br /><br />It therefore follows that Plaid need to prevent the whole thing becoming a nuclear power referendum. The position taken by Plaid in the council elections & in this election does just that.<br /><br />Going into an election with an electoral stratergy of plonking yourself on the very ground your main opponents are praying you'll fight the election from just isn't smart electoral strategy.<br /><br />That's why making a mountain out of a power station in these particular circimstances is just not helpful.Cai Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15349645242691098245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-5397403440988943482013-07-01T16:06:07.670+01:002013-07-01T16:06:07.670+01:00Not attacking????
"If he has any political se...Not attacking????<br />"If he has any political sense at all, Rhun..."<br />"What is wrong with Rhun's statement..."<br />"But only an idiot would try to attract votes from..."<br />"My objection to him being allowed to stand..."<br />etc..<br />You <b>are</b> undermining him.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-357130088512021162013-07-01T15:50:48.312+01:002013-07-01T15:50:48.312+01:00Thanks for the comments. I think Glyn has already...Thanks for the comments. I think Glyn has already made the response that I would have given to Stu (WnB), Royston (Jac) and Ioan. We cannot sit on the fence over any issue because it is not devolved. <br /><br />-<br /><br />I value what Cai says (as always). In this post I have tried to strike the right balance between opposition to nuclear power and ensuring that if it is forced on us, local people get to benefit from it, rather than people who move in from outside the area. <br /><br />I didn't read Heledd's article for Golwg, and don't know the details of the election campaign for the Council. But if it is similar to what I have outlined in this post, it should act as powerful evidence that the approach of unequivocal opposition to Wylfa B, but fighting to get something out of the project <b>if</b> it goes ahead, is going to be successful in electoral terms. <br /><br />-<br /><br />To Beard and Ioan, I am not attacking Rhun. So far (in the last post and now this one) the only criticisms I have made of Rhun are presumptuousness and not doing enough to tell us where he stands on the issues. <br /><br />On the scale of things, presumptuousness is not an especially bad thing. Rhun is clearly ambitious and if he simply put himself forward as a candidate he hasn't done much wrong. It would be very different if he was involved in arranging what happened. My major criticism is directed at the National Executive for allowing him to stand and at Ieuan for immediately changing his mind about when he would stand down, forcing members on Môn to make an instant decision without having enough time to properly consider the merits of the potential candidates.<br /><br />Rhun could have done a lot more to tell us where he stands on the issues. That information will now probably come out in dribs and drabs. Depending on what comes out, we will find out whether it was a good or bad thing to select him. <br /><br />Nor am I undermining him, as HoR suggests. In this post I am doing my best to show Rhun that he will attract <b>more</b> votes in this by-election by expressing his opposition to Wylfa B, rather than <b>only</b> saying he will fight to get the best out of it <b>if</b> it is forced on us by a Westminster government. How can attracting more votes than we would otherwise get be a bad thing? We will <b>need</b> these additional votes if we want to win Ynys Môn at the Westminster election in 2015. <br /><br />But <b>on top of that</b>, I am trying to get people in Plaid to look beyond just holding on to what should be a safe seat at Assembly level. My message is that by showing we have a unified and coherent position on this issue, we are more likely to win new seats in other parts of Wales in future elections. Our aim should not be limited to preventing Labour from getting a majority in this Assembly, it should be for Plaid Cymru to lead the next Welsh Government. <br /><br />-<br /><br />To Aled, I like what you've said both here and in response to <a href="http://www.golwg360.com/newyddion/cymru/114288-wylfa-b-galw-ar-ymgeiswyr-yr-isetholiad-i-ddatgan-eu-safbwynt-yn-glir" rel="nofollow">this article</a> in Golwg360. Thank you.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-86254670807794481512013-07-01T15:04:26.084+01:002013-07-01T15:04:26.084+01:00"If he fails to oppose nuclear energy Rhun wi..."If he fails to oppose nuclear energy Rhun will be in grave danger of throwing this by-election away"<br /><br />Erm, I think you'll find that undermining him - as you seem to be trying to do (and even if you're not trying to do that, you are managing to) - will very much more harm Plaid Cymru's chances of retaining the seat than anything else.<br /><br />Rhun Ap should have the full support of anyone who doesn't want to see Labour gaining a majority in the Assembly or Plaid Cymru losing a seat. You're really not helping, you know.Hogyn o Rachubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14216661024544140205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-68012444221657525942013-07-01T13:35:11.866+01:002013-07-01T13:35:11.866+01:00Glynbeddau. I'm suggesting that attitude to Wy...Glynbeddau. I'm suggesting that attitude to Wylfa is not the most important issue when selecting a AM.<br /><br />I'm not happy about MH's attacks on Rhun over thing he has <i>not</i> said. Please MH, use our energy (wind powered!?) over the next month attacking Labour.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-1412883646900738932013-07-01T11:43:28.198+01:002013-07-01T11:43:28.198+01:00Are People seriously arguing that Plaid should not...Are People seriously arguing that Plaid should not have a policy on Wylfa B because "its not a devolved one"?<br /><br />Plaid should be saying what a Indepemdent Wales should look kike at the moment an Independent Wales will have to live with a Wylfa Nuclear Power Plant even if we don't want it.<br /><br />So why not put the case against now Arguing that more jobs could be loss if the plant is built as it will deter other s from coming to the island.<br /><br />Plaid and other parties should be arguing that a Green Môn will provide more work for Islanders in the long run and jobs for locals in particular.<br /><br /> glynbeddauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933352430631144936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-20516433205897874862013-07-01T09:44:56.839+01:002013-07-01T09:44:56.839+01:00So, you disagree with the work "we" and ...So, you disagree with the work "we" and we get a blog post. Can we expect you to be this pedantic for the whole campaign?<br /><br />Energy is NOT DEVOLVED. If you want to attack someone on his Wylfa policy, at least attack the correct person - Albert Owen MP.<br /><br />I suspect the Lib Dems and the Greens will be unequivocally against Wylfa B in this by-election. I expect both to loose their deposit.<br /><br />aledgwyn - I thought (in the hustings) that Rhun did call for energy to be devolved?? In any case, he was so strong on Independence, devolution of Energy is implied. I also agree that the Nationalist argument against Wylfa B is the strongest one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-59122961668405814672013-07-01T06:17:22.538+01:002013-07-01T06:17:22.538+01:00Wylfa B is a check for Plaid Cymru in more ways th...Wylfa B is a check for Plaid Cymru in more ways than one. First it desires to present a coherent party response to atomic power. But as Wales has no administration over the task if Plaid is joined or not is irrelevant to whether the task proceeds ahead.<br /><br /><br />Regards,<br /><a href="http://www.naturaljuices.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Tahitian Noni Juice</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09046385244934816814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-29380354174114232302013-06-30T21:29:49.059+01:002013-06-30T21:29:49.059+01:00I tend to agree that there would be more votes won...I tend to agree that there would be more votes won than lost by presenting the arguments outlined above. This would link a strong nationalist narrative with what a lot of people actually feel on the ground on this issue, and that type of opportunity doesn't crop up very often for the national movement.<br /><br />Is it too much to hope for that a potential nationalist AM will point out that this development is all about meeting the electricity needs of England??? And what about the much bigger elephant in the room- that the costs involved with dealing with the waste from any Wylfa B for generations to come, could conceivably bankrupt any potential independent Wales that might come into being over the next few years? With PC hoping for support from members all over Wales for this by-election, surely that in itself presupposes that it has a "national" context- and therefore we must have a coherent "national" message , not just a message to suit the peculiar circumstances of Ynys Mon. <br /><br /><br />However, judging from Rhun's comments at the hustings on Thursday night, where he talked about steering a middle way between outright support and outright opposition I think we can expect a continuation of the IWJ school of pragmatism on this matter. But, if pragmatism is sadly to be the order of the day once again, please can we find a way to stiffen up this pragmatism with a narrative that is less cowed by the Daily Post and Welsh Labour's "6,000 jobs" nonsense, and which delivers a stronger nationalist message?<br /><br />I think Rhun ap Iorwerth could neutralize a lot of Labour's arguments about Wylfa B by calling for all energy powers to be devolved to Wales forthwith, and challenging Labour to oppose that. That would be a way to acknowledge, at long last, that this whole issue is more than just about the parochial interests of Ynys Mon: it is a matter for the whole of Wales. We as a nation need to have a wide ranging discussion about the type of energy mix we need for our needs for the years to come. I would imagine that an all-Wales debate would show a clear preference for alternative sources of energy production.<br /><br />He could further state that any Wylfa B is unlikely to be producing electricity until 2030, so it is just common sense for Wales to concentrate on developing alternative sources of energy e.g tidal, lagoons, solar during that intervening period. This can only happen if all energy powers are devolved.<br /><br />He could also quite legitimately raise the issue of trust with this development and encourage a sense of healthy scepticism amongst the voters. Over the past few years, voters have lost a huge amount of trust in politicians, the police, the media, the church. <br /><br />Can we really trust the promises of the nuclear industry and their lobby in view of all that we have learnt about the way that so many of our institutions have systematically lied to the public for so many years? <br /><br />Furthermore, aren't the public, even on Ynys Mon, now desperate for truthfulness, honesty and openness from those who seek to represent us in future? People are crying out for a more participative rather than a representative style of politics. 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First it needs to present a coherent party response to nuclear energy. But as Wales has no authority over the project whether Plaid is united or not is irrelevant to whether the project goes ahead.<br /><br />So the real test will be for Plaid to do its best to ensure that the Wylfa jobs go to Welsh people (and not just those living on Anglesey) and the contracts to Welsh firms (ditto).Jac o' the North,https://www.blogger.com/profile/02032744625666336148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-4931997871325064092013-06-30T19:24:30.826+01:002013-06-30T19:24:30.826+01:00Since no AM (or even Welsh MP) has any real way of...Since no AM (or even Welsh MP) has any real way of stopping any power station like this being dumped in Wales then surely all he can do is ensure we get the best out of it that we possibly can?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com