tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post639727937625213697..comments2024-03-27T18:54:46.951+00:00Comments on Syniadau :: The Blog: Labour try to divide the Yes voteSyniadauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13876017048168055247noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-2577348177666485532011-02-12T16:59:33.960+00:002011-02-12T16:59:33.960+00:00Anon 12:01, HF is quite right (thanks HF, and it w...Anon 12:01, HF is quite right (thanks HF, and it would be good to see you blogging again, I miss Amlwch to Magor) but I can understand where the "rumblings" you heard came from. There are a few instances where an LCO gave the Assembly greater legislative powers under Schedule 5 (the current list of lawmaking areas) than are listed in Schedule 7 (the new list of lawmaking areas after a Yes vote). This is discussed in the All Wales Convention's <a href="http://wales.gov.uk/docs/awc/publications/091118thereporten.pdf" rel="nofollow">Report</a>, starting at section 3.10.33. But in reality it isn't much of a problem, because we now know that Schedule 7 will be modified to reflect any instances where broader powers have already been given under Schedule 5.<br /><br />-<br /><br />Jac and Leigh, on a practical level you might well be right that there are fewer Tories to alienate than there are Labour supporters to win over. And it's equally true that stoking up the anti-Tory rhetoric is a sure-fire way of getting Labour supporters out to vote. <br /><br />We can also look back to the last referendum, when Labour got people out to vote by saying "Tony Blair knows best; vote Yes because that's what he wants." On one level it's just laziness. Rather than put the case for voting Yes on its merits, these MPs find it easier to motivate their supporters in the same way as they have done in every election in the past. But that's no excuse for telling lies. The end does not justify the means. <br /><br />And Siônnyn might be right that it has a lot to do with the differences between politics in Cardiff Bay and Westminster.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-58239708432646366212011-02-12T11:38:07.934+00:002011-02-12T11:38:07.934+00:00I agree - now is not the time to be bickering amo...I agree - now is not the time to be bickering amongst ourselves. Some of the Labour old guard appear to have made a calculation that as the YES is won (which it is not!) they can afford to indulge in the sort of nasty politics that the Assembly has proved is not necessary - civilised intelligent debate taking the place of 'YA BOO'.<br /><br />Last dying twitches of a dying breed, I hope!Siônnynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00021974709953206048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-87295084830216767142011-02-12T00:28:10.320+00:002011-02-12T00:28:10.320+00:00"Right now we need to keep fighting an inclus..."Right now we need to keep fighting an inclusive, uniting campaign for a Yes vote; for the sake of Wales, and for the sake of people of all political persuasions in Wales". <br /><br />you are spot on with regards to that point Syniadau! Nothing should be allowed to distract us from the task at hand - winning on march 4th. <br /><br />But i have to say if the comments of paul murphy and hywel francis encourage a few more welsh labour voters to come out and vote yes i have no problem with that - as the votes of welsh labour voters will be crucial to winning this referendum.<br /><br />Leigh RichardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-26874316993333968362011-02-11T19:26:47.438+00:002011-02-11T19:26:47.438+00:00Anon - the exact same matters will be devolved aft...Anon - the exact same matters will be devolved after a Yes vote as there are now.Hen Ferchetanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05824537681698480500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-64987025370283512982011-02-11T13:26:33.125+00:002011-02-11T13:26:33.125+00:00These attitudes show Labour's deep-seated ambi...These attitudes show Labour's deep-seated ambivalence towards devolution, visible as early as 1997. Once Tony Blair won his election voices within the party argued that Wales no longer needed devolution because Labour was in power in London.<br /><br />Then again, taking an anti-Tory stance might increase the Labour Yes vote by outflanking the True Wales anti-Plaid, "slippery slope", rhetoric. For let's be honest - is there much Tory support to lose?<br /><br />No matter what the Tory AMs or MPs like Glyn Davies might say about voting Yes, Tory voters were never going to turn out in substantial numbers to vote Yes.Jac o' the North,https://www.blogger.com/profile/02032744625666336148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-91463840388739574682011-02-11T12:01:38.076+00:002011-02-11T12:01:38.076+00:00How are the 'matters' already devolved now...How are the 'matters' already devolved now going to work?.<br />I've heard rumblings that the Assembly, may actually lose some power, where "wide" matters were devolved under the Fields.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-61797724659594634882011-02-11T08:53:37.534+00:002011-02-11T08:53:37.534+00:00I think it's best to ignore the tactics of som...I think it's best to ignore the tactics of some Labour members and concentrate on the issue at hand - the referendum. <br /><br />I'm sure IWJ has received a lot of flack but as Grangetown Jack notes, http://grangetownjack.blogspot.com/ there were big problem in that department when he arrived. IWJ should have let it slide off his back. <br /><br />In any case - that's all party political issues for the election in May.<br /><br />The important thing now is that the four parties (yes, GapLl, includng Plaid) campaign in a spirit of cooperation and good faith in one another for the Referendum. <br /><br />I hope IWJ, Carwyn Jones and Rhodri Morgan are sitting down today to make sure things are on track from their side. It's this kind of stupid squabble which loses elections ... and that was the point of the trick in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-7298874698312795142011-02-11T08:01:51.597+00:002011-02-11T08:01:51.597+00:00I fear that not all Plaid Cymru voters will vote &...I fear that not all Plaid Cymru voters will vote "Yes". Plaid Cymru is rather good at being a protest party, saying "No" and not as good as a party of government, as we have seen.Gwilym ap Llewnoreply@blogger.com