tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post5867541699790318500..comments2024-03-27T18:54:46.951+00:00Comments on Syniadau :: The Blog: Watching the results come inSyniadauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13876017048168055247noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-52085210913551748612011-05-06T16:49:00.840+01:002011-05-06T16:49:00.840+01:00I don't think there's anyone in the Plaid ...I don't think there's anyone in the Plaid group who could realistically challenge IWJ. There's Elin Jones at a push and DET, but I don't see the fortunes of the party improving under either, it would be an interim measure. <br /><br />Plaid needs a leader that can bridge the gap between Y Fro and the Valleys. Dafydd Wigley almost did it. Adam Price and Ron Davies could've done it, perhaps HMJ as well. IWJ can't seem to do it, try as he might.<br /><br />I don't think now is the time for a change of leader, it's a time for reflection. Chaos is exactly what Labour will want right now. Having said that IWJ needs to calm down and take the result on the chin.<br /><br />I concur that DET should turn down the Llywydd role as well.Owenhttp://oggybloggyogwr.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-73438658424429549032011-05-06T15:33:22.547+01:002011-05-06T15:33:22.547+01:00With the results my view is that there should not ...With the results my view is that there should not be a OneWales 2 for five years. Note the five years. What Plaid could do is spend the year reviewing what the party stands for, get a new leader. At the same time, have an unofficial agreement with Labour on votes. Once a leader has been chosen, drop this agreement. At this time Labour will be unpopular (due to the cuts), ConDems may well still be in trouble. Then comes the knight in shining armour- Plaid Cymru.<br /><br />But MH, I agree- for Plaid to be able to do this. It needs to have a vision. That vision can only be independence otherwise we are just Labour in green. If they decide this vision, they need to shout it. They need to say how if Wales was independent there would not be cuts and so on. But for now IWJ should stay.<br /><br />BTW: does anybody else think it's a bit selfish of Plaid for allowing oldies like Daf El, IWJ and Rhodri Glyn for carrying on? surely it would be fairer to get a breath of fresh air particularly in safe seats like Dwyfor Meirionydd.<br /><br />Plaid also should not have the Presiding Officer role in my view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-46434365898026163342011-05-06T15:28:10.710+01:002011-05-06T15:28:10.710+01:00'Another 200 voted and it would be different&#...'Another 200 voted and it would be different'.<br />Is that all Plaid has come to; to be happy with 14ish.<br /><br />The leader issue has come as some big suprise to Plaid. Lets be serious; as I've said before we did terribly in 2010, and in earlier council elections. The writing was on the wall. We got rid of him because he was unable to do the job well, yet we still have him- crazy.<br />Had we had a charismatic leader like Wigley I'm sure we'd be in a position the SNP are in right now.<br /><br />IWJ will go, but I hope he stays on for a year or two. A review MUST be made of the Party. What do we stand for? are people like Dixon what Plaid stands for- or is it the Labour-ite style of Leanne Wood. Once that is sorted, a leader can be chosen.<br /><br />However a problem is that there really is NO suitable leaders in the Assembly (some say the New North Wales AM is good- but I know little of him) so Plaid are in a huge mess.<br /><br />So why can't we do what the SNP did- before an election have somebody outside of the Assembly as leader (like Salmond) and then fight it.<br /><br />The review of the party will be dangerous, and I feel there will be a split. If we decide that we are not to be a radical party I for one will walk away from them. <br /><br />Terrible night for Plaid, and I question how we get out of this hole!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-83128645762171843162011-05-06T15:06:37.719+01:002011-05-06T15:06:37.719+01:00IWJ just been on Radio Cymru. An absolute embarras...IWJ just been on Radio Cymru. An absolute embarrassment. Very tetchy, not answering simple and obvious questions, insisting there will be an internal investigation etc.<br /><br />Came over as rude. The other panelists were obviously embarrassed for him and slightly gob-smacked. IWJ kept telling interviewer, 'let me answer the questions' but then not answering the question! <br /><br />Frankly, lacking the gravitas, the dignity, the humour, and the humility to be a leader of a political party. Also lacking the bravery to be a leader.<br /><br />You're right, MH, another 200 votes and it would have felt differently. Those 200 votes were lost because PC effectively had no leader. That's how close it is. PC needs a leader who can milk every single vote and when you're losing seats with such small margins, then having a dead-weight like IWJ means you lose seats. <br /><br />There are a lot of factors, lot of contradictionary factors to contemplate. But IWJ cannot be leader for the next election. It's as simple as that. If he doesn't go, then I'm not renewing my membership. He's a dog in a manger - wants to be leader but doesn't want to lead.<br /><br />Cardiff BoyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-2804401627772602112011-05-06T13:57:55.076+01:002011-05-06T13:57:55.076+01:00Not yet CB. The next election is five years away....Not yet CB. The next election is five years away. We do not need to do it now. <br /><br />As Roderick and Dicw were saying, 150 votes and Plaid could have been on 14, as I had predicted. Everyone would have hailed that as a great result for Plaid.<br /><br />Carwyn is a don't rock the boat kind of guy. He might well want to do a One Wales 2, especially with a party he doesn't think will want any trouble. IWJ is the man for that.<br /><br />Plaid needs to change its vision, and work out what it want to achieve. A new leader can only communicate that once we have got it worked out for ourselves. We haven't. We were caught on the hop because we had put so much effort into the referendum that we hadn't really thought about what we wanted to do after we'd won it. We had a disjointed shopping list, but no overarching route map. That's our failure.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-48857249271583096282011-05-06T13:48:04.475+01:002011-05-06T13:48:04.475+01:00Great, Labour didn't get it. They have a head...Great, Labour didn't get it. They have a headache now. 30 seats is not the majority Carwyn said he wanted. DET can resign as Llywydd and effectively make it 29.<br /><br />Labour have to do a deal with someone.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-18966462590693958272011-05-06T13:35:00.233+01:002011-05-06T13:35:00.233+01:00DET caretaker leader, RhGT to make way for Adam Pr...DET caretaker leader, RhGT to make way for Adam Price. It's for the good of the party. They've had 12 years since 1999, a good innings, now get out of the way.<br /><br />CBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-57479872919988805292011-05-06T13:28:09.265+01:002011-05-06T13:28:09.265+01:00Poor campaign by Plaid with no real vision or lead...Poor campaign by Plaid with no real vision or leadership. No clear, positive message at all( compare this with SNP's flagship policy of re-industrialising Scotland and providing 100% of Scotland's energy needs by 2020). We need a period out of government to define what PC really stands for now. We also need Adam Price to take over as Leader over the next year or so- maybe Rhodri Glyn can be persuaded to retire to allow AP to come into the Senedd? In the meantime, I wonder whether we need a caretaker leader- dafydd elis thomas maybe?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-61236721501091640132011-05-06T13:25:35.607+01:002011-05-06T13:25:35.607+01:00MH: 'Time for Dafydd ET to think clever.'
...MH: 'Time for Dafydd ET to think clever.'<br /><br /><br />... erm, not put his ego before his party methinks! DET can't be allowed to be Llywydd again for the very reason you've outlined. He also needs to remember that he was elected on the Plaid Cymru ticket and start behaving like a semi-official member. <br /><br />If he wasn't such a pseud he'd be a good leader - he's capable, intelligent, fairly well-known who could (I said, could) reach out to different people. <br /><br />After 10 years of IWJ Plaid has to have some new fresh air. IWJ's lack of charisma, lack of oomph and lack of bravery is crushing for the party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-59586523591183003592011-05-06T13:13:45.810+01:002011-05-06T13:13:45.810+01:00Time for Dafydd ET to think clever. If he stands ...Time for Dafydd ET to think clever. If he stands down as Llywydd, the new one must be Labour (probably Rosemary Butler) this will give Plaid one more vote and take one from Labour. <br /><br />The new deputy would have to be Tory, as second largest party and official opposition.<br /><br />Or at least he threatens to do that unless Labour do a deal with Plaid.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-63969698194568373932011-05-06T13:08:18.246+01:002011-05-06T13:08:18.246+01:00That is what Labour seem to be hinting at, which w...That is what Labour seem to be hinting at, which would give them their majority. Interesting that running on UK themes ruined Labour in Scotland but was a success in Wales.Cibwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621705905770341542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-90540177628241251232011-05-06T12:58:56.734+01:002011-05-06T12:58:56.734+01:00Yes, Gareth Jones had a lot of popular support, Ef...Yes, Gareth Jones had a lot of popular support, Efrogwr. <br /><br />Big question is whether Labour get a list seat. Hope they don't, suspect they will.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-36985396846744382982011-05-06T12:56:26.087+01:002011-05-06T12:56:26.087+01:00Tories get Aberconwy. Llyr Huws Gruffydd certain ...Tories get Aberconwy. Llyr Huws Gruffydd certain to get seat, Heledd Fychan might just miss out.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-52923861956898043752011-05-06T12:55:56.629+01:002011-05-06T12:55:56.629+01:00Tories have won Aberconwy with a large drop in PC&...Tories have won Aberconwy with a large drop in PC's vote, no doubt partly due to Gareth Jones' personal vote.<br />EfrogwrAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-72573562279381777552011-05-06T12:37:30.916+01:002011-05-06T12:37:30.916+01:00Just heard that Plaid are only just short of getti...Just heard that Plaid are only just short of getting four NW seats overall, i.e. hold Aberconwy and get one or lose it and get two.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-19196957285147236382011-05-06T12:22:17.513+01:002011-05-06T12:22:17.513+01:00Tories hold Clwyd West, Labour now need either Abe...Tories hold Clwyd West, Labour now need either Aberconwy or a regional seat for 31. Arfon and Ynys Mon held by Plaid as expected. The five Labour seats will remain Labour.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-35658398034361491572011-05-06T11:41:57.785+01:002011-05-06T11:41:57.785+01:00Time to finish things off. If the Tories had held...Time to finish things off. If the Tories had held Cardiff North and the LibDems had held Cardiff Central, Chris Franks would have held his seat. <br /><br />But we got less than two-thirds of the Tory Vote, and less than twice the LibDem vote, so only one of them would not have given us a second seat.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-50676298541784566672011-05-06T09:11:46.060+01:002011-05-06T09:11:46.060+01:00Just done the maths on Lindsay's win.
Plaid...Just done the maths on Lindsay's win. <br /><br />Plaid ... 21,850 / 2 = 10,925<br />LibDems ... 10,798 <br /><br />Lindsay got in by just 127 votes!!!<br /><br />I suppose I have to say that makes up for Dai Lloyd losing to Peter Black by only 54.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-757146997249460862011-05-06T08:12:09.682+01:002011-05-06T08:12:09.682+01:00Poetic justice indeed for Lindsay. Melding could ...Poetic justice indeed for Lindsay. Melding could have an important role to play if the London government wants to devolve further powers. <br />EfrogwrAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-56276897512843570422011-05-06T08:11:08.413+01:002011-05-06T08:11:08.413+01:00I wonder if the AV referendum has helped to boost ...I wonder if the AV referendum has helped to boost the Tory vote?Cibwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621705905770341542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-53711005801430804312011-05-06T08:05:58.528+01:002011-05-06T08:05:58.528+01:00Yes Lyndon. With only half the seats counted, the...Yes Lyndon. With only half the seats counted, the SNP have won 46, as many as they did (within 1) in 2007. Just possible for them to get a majority in their own right (65) but the Greens will provide a majority for the independence referendum if they don't quite make it.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-67672663527695464612011-05-06T08:01:41.541+01:002011-05-06T08:01:41.541+01:00Silver lining for those who believe in a distincti...Silver lining for those who believe in a distinctively Welsh Tory party. With Jonathan Morgan out, David Melding should get a list seat.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-19184776837732503952011-05-06T07:58:30.507+01:002011-05-06T07:58:30.507+01:00Oh crap.
Still, look at the Scottish results to c...Oh crap.<br /><br />Still, look at the Scottish results to cheer yourselves up. Labour have been absolutely annihilated :)Lyndonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02225999704347903995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-65970044739168941482011-05-06T07:53:26.460+01:002011-05-06T07:53:26.460+01:00It would be pointless getting rid of IWJ without s...It would be pointless getting rid of IWJ without someone who can replace him. IWJ is our leader because he is the best we've got. He has grown in stature and done some good things as DFM. <br /><br />Yes, I can criticize him. I can criticize anybody. But the last thing we need is to start stabbing each other in the back.<br /><br />Bear in mind that Labour aren't there yet. For the majority they say they want, they have to win both Aberconwy <b>and</b> Clwyd West. The Tory vote has held up quite well.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-56011486231062613112011-05-06T07:46:45.445+01:002011-05-06T07:46:45.445+01:00Looks like WalesHome have overstepped their bandwi...Looks like WalesHome have overstepped their bandwidth allowance. Account suspended. That's good in a way, it means they must have had a lot of visitors.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.com