tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post518579747696228661..comments2024-03-07T18:57:39.865+00:00Comments on Syniadau :: The Blog: Voting against austeritySyniadauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13876017048168055247noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-34618096277758809362015-02-02T22:40:01.914+00:002015-02-02T22:40:01.914+00:00I note that the person who left the supposed quote...I note that the person who left the supposed quote by Pippa Bartolotti has not provided a source. This is hardly surprising as it seems typical of malicious nature of many of the assertions that have been made on this thread. <br /><br />It seems clear to me that one individual, probably Anne Greagsby, is behind many of these. <br /><br />To provide one example of this, we are invited to believe that Ms Bartolotti is "mocking our accent". And if we look at the comment Anne made to her own video she claims Ms Bartolotti, "mocks Newport people and their accent while accusing them of racism." It will be obvious to anyone who watches this short clip that she was not mocking Newport people, nor their accent, nor accusing them of racism. She was just quoting what one woman said to her. Only someone as fixated as Anne seems to have become could interpret this as an attack on the people of Newport generally. And the same petty malice seems to lie behind <a href="http://www.pippabartolotti.info/" rel="nofollow">this website</a>. <br /><br />Plaid Cymru have a lot to be ashamed of, not least that this same Anne Greagsby is now <a href="http://www.partyof.wales/womens-section/?force=1" rel="nofollow">on</a> Plaid Cymru's National Council. <br /><br />-<br /><br />Sadly, it seems that much of this thread has become nothing more than a slanging match. And, on reflection, I was probably wrong to let it go on. However I should warn those concerned (on both sides) that I will not allow the same thing to continue on future threads. People are welcome to contribute, but the points they make must be relevant to the subject at hand. If not, they will be deleted. MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-36083977356698027782015-02-02T11:00:46.875+00:002015-02-02T11:00:46.875+00:00It is up to the person who posted the comment to e...It is up to the person who posted the comment to either put up or shut up, not for others to make guesses.<br /><br />Unless or until s/he does so, I will delete all comments that refer to it.<br /><br />People who make comments are free to express their opinions. But if they rely on quotes or statistics to lend credibility to those opinions, they must provide links to the source. MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-77361075658542926822015-02-02T08:20:06.480+00:002015-02-02T08:20:06.480+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-82207900403760129282015-02-02T07:22:00.298+00:002015-02-02T07:22:00.298+00:00What was the unreferenced quote concerning?What was the unreferenced quote concerning?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-77987278002849984882015-02-01T21:47:59.040+00:002015-02-01T21:47:59.040+00:00Be careful. That link had nothing whatsoever to do...Be careful. That link had nothing whatsoever to do with what you had quoted her as saying in your 20:00 comment.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-58524677257652795922015-02-01T21:36:45.928+00:002015-02-01T21:36:45.928+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-68556822858401670572015-02-01T21:16:03.462+00:002015-02-01T21:16:03.462+00:00One of the basic rules of making comments on this ...One of the basic rules of making comments on this blog is that anyone who wants to quote "facts" to make a point needs to provide a link to the source.<br /><br />20:00 is free to repost the quote s/he attributed to Pippa Bartolotti if s/he does so. MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-67098568161710797502015-02-01T20:00:31.018+00:002015-02-01T20:00:31.018+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-18924381591971413322015-02-01T03:55:09.301+00:002015-02-01T03:55:09.301+00:00"It was Cynog who initiated the end of the pa..."It was Cynog who initiated the end of the pact anon 18.55, following a split among the welsh greens which resulted in greens campaigning in ceredigion." What does this mean? Makes no sense. I don't think you know what occurred in Ceredigion amongst the greens at the time. They were an EXTREMELY fractious bunch and there were constant internal squabbles. Conflicts and confrontations between Aber versus Ceredigion greens were often quite spectacular to behold. To suggest that a principled split occurred as a result of Plaid "reneging" on anything is farcical. As for comments, I am not suggesting anything sinister, but I am unable to post comments on gd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-86755269771924549742015-02-01T00:46:10.614+00:002015-02-01T00:46:10.614+00:00It was Cynog who initiated the end of the pact ano...It was Cynog who initiated the end of the pact anon 18.55, following a split among the welsh greens which resulted in greens campaigning in ceredigion. This split among the welsh greens apparently being prompted by Plaid's continuing support for nuclear power in ynys mon (wylfa) and the then trawsfynydd nuclear plant in Meirionydd. Comments can be submited at the end of each article on greendragon incidentally. <br /><br />There's nothing 'thinly veiled' about any crticisms we have made of plaid anon 17.54. We have rightly and explicitly criticised them for their frankly untenable position on the issue of nuclear power in Wales and we will continue to do so. As this is an issue which they have now had decades to address but which they have evidently still failed to adopt and maintain a principled stand on. <br /><br />From the tone of your comments it would also seem you are unaware of this entry on our blog following Leanne's appearance on question time last year :<br /><br />http://agreenwales.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/so-how-did-leanne-do.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-30371390207935088772015-01-31T18:55:09.915+00:002015-01-31T18:55:09.915+00:00Green dragon, Plaid did not renege on anything. As...Green dragon, Plaid did not renege on anything. As I recall, and I was living in Aber at the time, all the problems emanated from internal Green Party disputes. This is common knowledge and is also well documented. I would write this on your blog but find it impossible to leave comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-42211032803711441582015-01-31T17:54:27.426+00:002015-01-31T17:54:27.426+00:00Green Dragon, to say Plaid Cymru reneged on the Pl...Green Dragon, to say Plaid Cymru reneged on the Plaid/Green pact in Ceredigion as you do on your most recent post is at best disingenuous. To refresh your memory:<br /><br />http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/porritt-suspension-splits-greens-1385560.html<br /><br />http://www.academia.edu/6451605/Environmentalism_and_Nationalism_in_the_UK<br /><br />Thinly veiled attacks masquerading as eagerness for cooperation a credible blog doth not make. <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-5551666071136890652015-01-31T17:00:52.414+00:002015-01-31T17:00:52.414+00:00"In truth, I agree with almost all your views..."In truth, I agree with almost all your views and that is why I am troubled by your abrasive manner" noted anon 16.59.and thankyou for that feeback.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-61221565405292723722015-01-30T20:07:59.458+00:002015-01-30T20:07:59.458+00:00Happy birthday, MH. Nice to see you blogging agai...Happy birthday, MH. Nice to see you blogging again.Gwyn Reesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-74428265886925802672015-01-30T19:56:14.838+00:002015-01-30T19:56:14.838+00:00Anon 23:33 is spot on, the SNP has nothing to do w...Anon 23:33 is spot on, the SNP has nothing to do with BritNat parties because unlike our regional branch of the Englandandwales party, the Scottish Greens are a completely separate party to those in Englandandwales.<br /><br />Wales really does need a green party of its own to try and breakthrough in the areas where Labour are inpenetrable but unfortunately all we have is another unionist party. That guy with the green dragon on the Polish flag can quote nonsense all he likes but until the greens in Wales realise they can never stand up for Wales until they split from their masters across the border they are just as bad as the other tory parties.Welsh not Britishhttp://www.welshnotbritish.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-88708269989621101142015-01-30T16:59:31.263+00:002015-01-30T16:59:31.263+00:00"You are totally dismissive of other views an..."You are totally dismissive of other views and write AT people in a patronizing and condescending manner"....er isnt that what you are doing here anon 05.46<br />No. I am not dismissing your views, just questioning your rudeness and arrogance. Are you unable to see the difference. In truth, I agree with almost all your views and that is why I am troubled by your abrasive manner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-53548722971580070692015-01-30T16:54:28.872+00:002015-01-30T16:54:28.872+00:00"You are totally dismissive of other views an..."You are totally dismissive of other views and write AT people in a patronizing and condescending manner"....er isnt that what you are doing here anon 05.46? <br /><br />While it's interesting that since we started blogging last year support for the Greens in Wales has consistently increased......and while we wouldnt be so arrogant as to try and claim credit for this encouraging development.......it would suggest our posts are far from 'offputting'.with people in Wales. Indeed judging by the traffic our blog is enjoying it would appear there's a lot of interest in what we have to say.<br /><br />Youre hardly the best person to raise the issue of 'principles' Anne Greagsby (anon 12.09)....before you jumped from the wales greens to plaid cymru in 2013 you used to villify plaid cymru in exactley the same despicable fashion you now routinely troll the wales green party (trolling which sadly appears to have poisoned relations between the two parties).<br /><br />http://agreenwales.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/are-plaid-behind-online-smear-campaign.html<br /><br />We have to comment however that we would have liked to have seen plaid putting its anti nuclear 'principles' before party interests with regards to its support for the proposed new nuclear reactor at wylfa b, and we are not only referring to rhun ap iorwerth's decision to enthusiastically support wylfa b, but the fact that when a motion on wylfa b was debated in the senedd in june 2013 plaid AMs - leanne sadly included - abstained rather than vote against....which even the lib dems managed to do. .And we all know what happened to the host of this blog when he raised concerns over plaid's unprincipled stance on wylfa b - he was shamefully kicked out of plaid! (happy birthday from us too by the way michael)<br /><br />We are not going to dignify your characteristically personal smear of any green candidates with a response anne greagsby, but given your reference to air travel you might like to consider the matter of 'ieaun air'?<br /><br />http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/ieuan-air-link-between-cardiff-7474034<br /><br />We think our support for syriza in greece, our uncompromising opposition to nuclear power and nuclear weapons, our opposition to privatisation and our staunch defence of the welfare state are ample proof of our green left credentials...but we would invite readers to visit our blog and decide that for themselves! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-62438508190425307742015-01-30T14:56:18.564+00:002015-01-30T14:56:18.564+00:00Rising above all the bitchiness, I'd like to w...Rising above all the bitchiness, I'd like to wish Michael a happy birthday today.<br /><br />And I promise I won't tell them how old you are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-38380036555897487122015-01-30T12:19:41.448+00:002015-01-30T12:19:41.448+00:00Is the Green Party considering supporting Plaid...Is the Green Party considering supporting Plaid in its 3 target seats? Will they put principles above party? Not a chance. Speaking of principles, in Cardiff Central we have a green candidate who is more active as a 'living dead' act than in any environmental campaigning who drives a gas guzzling camper van and likes flying to Canada and throughout USA for his hols! Like Green Dragon neither left or green. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-58998067152532243542015-01-30T05:46:04.413+00:002015-01-30T05:46:04.413+00:00No, who do you think you are that you have the rig...No, who do you think you are that you have the right to address people in such a fashion? You are totally dismissive of other views and write AT people in a patronizing and condescending manner. I truly hope that this is a personal trait and not representative of the green movement in Wales as a whole. I can assure you, it is extremely off putting and does no service to your cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-25470030252602817132015-01-29T23:03:00.226+00:002015-01-29T23:03:00.226+00:00All part of the cut and thrust of grown up debate ...All part of the cut and thrust of grown up debate surely anon ? Indeed a trawl thru virtually any discussion thread on the blog you refer to will reveal comments far far more contentious than anything we might have posted. <br /><br />Who do we think we are? We are Welsh bloggers who write on events in Wales - and sometimes further afield - from a green left perspective.....and we will continue to do so. And if we think something needs to be said we wont shy away from doing so. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-7425407442450942492015-01-29T21:35:55.589+00:002015-01-29T21:35:55.589+00:00The examples are legion. Just jump to Jac's bl...The examples are legion. Just jump to Jac's blog :"Whether you like it or not Treforus the ‘green economy’ is the future for countries like wales – and so are the greens! "http://jacothenorth.net/blog/ignored-constituencies-and-zombie-parties/#comments<br />Read backwards from there. You tell people not to contribute to the discussion and "leave it to the grownups". Who the hell do you think you are?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-49830527645629281482015-01-29T20:51:38.528+00:002015-01-29T20:51:38.528+00:00please give us examples where weve been arrogant? ...please give us examples where weve been arrogant? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-20907552973171444702015-01-29T20:03:45.471+00:002015-01-29T20:03:45.471+00:00Nothing unwholesome about those admirable aims, it...Nothing unwholesome about those admirable aims, it is just that you and ms bartolotti come across as extremely arrogant individuals. Just reread some of your statements here and on other blogs. They reek of arrogance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-78383673941998811172015-01-29T19:38:08.801+00:002015-01-29T19:38:08.801+00:00Er yes 'Boi' aware of that - it is that p...Er yes 'Boi' aware of that - it is that poll in 2016 we were referring to! <br /><br />A recent statement from Pippa Bartolotti on the welsh language ' anne greagsby...er sorry 'cymru i'r can'... <br />"Then there is the Welsh language. A Green government would protect it from the ravages of globalisation. Local sustainable communities would help ensure survival of the culture and language. Free higher education courses would promote the language. Under a Green government the language of Wales would thrive exponentially."<br /><br />link to above statement ,including the greens otherr radical policies for wales, here http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/pippa-bartolotti/labour-green-party_b_6268632.html<br /><br />Er anon 18.26 something 'unwholesome' about a blog committed to bringing about a socially just and green wales? Something 'unwholesome' about a political leader committed to bringing about a socially just and green wales? <br /><br />Says everything about your 'rather unwholesome' politics!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com