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BiLingo caused a great deal of hurt to good people, dedicated teachers, through having its lies repeated by English newspapers.<br /><br />Not only does Protic sometimes write in his own name, he has even stood for election. In May this year (2013) he offered himself to the electors of the Aethwy ward on Ynys Mon as an Independent candidate . . . he gained 3% of the vote.An Eye On...https://www.blogger.com/profile/08811559231632281053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-59176367972784815982013-02-22T16:20:10.355+00:002013-02-22T16:20:10.355+00:00But it makes perfect sense, Dic. If you live on Y...But it makes <i>perfect</i> sense, Dic. 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You now claim that the spreadsheets I was sent are from the Statistical Directorate and nowhere else, but you can't have it both ways. Up to now, you have been claiming that the official figures are misleading and that you have "rejigged" them to give what you claim is a truer picture. If they are your "rejigged" figures, it's your information, not theirs. That doesn't necessarily make what you say you have done invalid, but you need to explain how you did your calculations. <br /><br />The rest of what you say is silly. You make basic errors because you don't understand what the figures mean. To take an example, I'd ask people to look at your 20:09 comment. At the bottom of your list you have averages for both EM and WM. But what you have done is added the percentages and divided them by the number of schools. That's a mathematical joke.<br /><br />It will be obvious to everyone else, but I evidently need to explain it to you: Take three schools, two schools on 9% FSM and one on 18% FSM. According to you the average FSM entitlement would be 12% (9 + 9 + 18 = 36; 36 / 3 = 12). But you need to take the size of the school into account for your calculation to have any validity. If the two schools on 9% have 450 and 550 pupils respectively and the one on 18% has 2,000 pupils, then the average FSM entitlement is actually 15% rather than 12% (450 + 550 = 1000; 9% of 1,000 = 90; 18% of 2,000 = 360; 90 + 360 = 450; 450 / 3000 = 15%). <br /><br />-<br /><br />But finally, I would say yet again that the differences in performance when FSM entitlement is taken into account are <i>marginal</i>. If non-Welsh speaking schools close the performance gap, it is something I would welcome, for any improvement in education standards is to be welcomed. If they got slightly ahead, I wouldn't worry too much about it either. The big advantage of a Welsh-medium education is that it almost invariably produces bilingual children; English-medium education doesn't generally do this.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-78677522024666817352012-05-04T06:33:11.413+01:002012-05-04T06:33:11.413+01:00The spread sheets that you have been sent are from...The spread sheets that you have been sent are from the statistical directorate and nowhere else....feel free to just email them back and confirm that. Now publish.<br /><br />Your analogy above is a false one and I suspect that you know it;<br /><br />"Of course pupils who take both Welsh FL and English have the advantage that either of them counts towards the relevant thresholds. Exactly the same is true of pupils who take two science subjects; either of them will count towards the CSI. There's nothing unfair about either. Pupils that take more subjects have more chances "<br /><br />Pupils in both Welsh medium schools and English Medium schools have equal chance to score in science or even take science. The only subject where this doesn't apply is Welsh First language where the subject is taken by a few in EM schools who are Welsh First Language speakers and almost all others are in WM schools where the schools then choose the highest score across 4 subjects for each pupil to enter into their statistics.<br /><br /><br /><br />You can only compare like with like. Welsh medium secondary schools are dependent on their pupils having gone through Welsh Medium Primary schools in order to study Welsh First Language.<br /><br />As for your calculation, it's simple, any single figure you come up with based on saying that WM schools have the same Socioeconomic profile (if taken together) as all EM schools (if taken together) between 0-20% Free school meals benchmarked categories is wrong. <br /><br />So what are you afraid of...publish the data sets now that you have them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-31890724102730264012012-05-04T01:20:06.564+01:002012-05-04T01:20:06.564+01:00Anon, I've deleted your first comment because,...Anon, I've deleted your first comment because, although I have received some spreadsheets, they do not show what you claim. If there are any that do, please send them to me.<br /><br />But in answer to your point, I would refer you back to what I said in my comment of 10:16 on 27 April. Of course pupils who take both Welsh FL and English have the advantage that <b>either</b> of them counts towards the relevant thresholds. Exactly the same is true of pupils who take two science subjects; <b>either</b> of them will count towards the CSI. There's nothing unfair about either. Pupils that take more subjects have more chances ... and in life in general, people who speak both Welsh and English will always have an advantage over those who can speak only one of them. That's a basic fact of life that annoys the hell out of you.<br /> <br />-<br /><br />I haven't deleted the second and fourth comments because they will show others the way your mind works.<br /><br />This post was based on the evidence which <b>you yourself</b> eventually provided a link to on a previous thread. The information in the spreadsheet downloadable from that page was perfectly clear, and showed that Welsh speaking schools generally get better results than their counterparts even when free school meal entitlement is taken into account.<br /><br />But having been shown to be wrong about what you claimed, you <b>then</b> claim that the official figures are "misleading" and present a new set of figures that you have "rejigged". The spreadsheets I have been sent are quite worthless because they do not show <b>how</b> you did your calculations. They are just figures in cells with no explanation of how they were calculated. They might be accurate, they might not. But why on earth should anyone take your word for it ... especially because what you are relying on <b>now</b> is different from what you <b>were</b> relying on only a few days ago?<br /><br />In all the years I've dealt with you, it has always been your maths that lets you down. You find figures, but have almost no understanding of what those figures mean, can't do the relatively simple calculations to put those figures into context, and therefore reach wrong conclusions. You can call my calculation "bent as a dog's hind leg" but everyone else will be able to check what I did and see for themselves that my figures are accurate, and based on the published information that you linked to. <br /><br />Shall I take you through it slowly? 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First you need to provide sources for the raw information, then you need to put that together in a spreadsheet to do the calculations, then you need to either put that spreadsheet online or send it to me. <br /><br />It's up to you. Put up or shut up.<br /><br />-<br /><br />I've deleted the third comment because of the last part of it (you can repost the first part), for exactly the same reason as I deleted the first. None of the spreadsheets I've been sent shows what you claim.MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-36272343765670405492012-05-03T21:01:08.654+01:002012-05-03T21:01:08.654+01:00And here we have the usual MH con trick where he b...And here we have the usual MH con trick where he baffles his acolytes with pseudo statistics:<br /><br />"If we are forced to give a simple Yes/No answer to the question of whether Welsh speaking schools do better when FSM entitlement is taken into account then the best, if not the only, way to do it would be to exclude all the schools with over 20% on FSMs because there are currently no Welsh speaking schools in those bands. We can then work out the relevant percentages because the tables show the numbers of students in the schools in each band, although the calculation may not be precise because the percentages in the original tables are rounded.<br /><br /><br /><br />Level 1 Threshold ... Welsh 96% ... English 95%<br /><br />Level 2 Threshold ... Welsh 76% ... English 74%<br /><br />Level 2 Threshold including English/Welsh & maths ... Welsh 60% ... English 57%<br /><br />Core Subject Indicator ... Welsh 58% ... English 56%<br /><br />Average Wider Points Score ... Welsh 493 ... English 441<br /><br />Average Capped Wider Points Score ... Welsh 338 ... English 330<br /><br /><br />So the answer to this question is an unequivocal Yes. Under all six measures Welsh speaking schools do get better examination results than English speaking schools, even when FSM entitlement is taken into account."<br /><br />The whole point of breaking the school performance scores down into Free school meal benchmark categories is to compare like with like....on average. Once you re-amalgamate all the schools into a broad category you destroy the whole benchmarking system.<br /><br />So in this case MH is no longer looking at benchmarked comparisons because, as I pointed out, WM schools are almost all in the two high performing categories.... under 15%.<br /><br />Less than 10% FSMs EM 31% WM 46%<br /> 10%-15% FSMs EM 39% WM 42%<br /> 15%-20% FSMs EM 30% WM 12%<br /><br />Thus MH can (triumphantly) declare WM the winner by a nose. But it's as bent as a dog's hind leg!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-66205886428769364382012-05-03T20:42:02.005+01:002012-05-03T20:42:02.005+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985080357558043054.post-52854236694981407412012-05-03T20:09:41.676+01:002012-05-03T20:09:41.676+01:00Ah I've read some of your comment on the 27Th ...Ah I've read some of your comment on the 27Th Now. So I think that I can say this without being deleted: If you can get to the school level plasc statistics then you can check all other single year and three year running average Free school meal percentages...Yes? You are postulating that I have fiddled something by re-jigging the figures to 3% point intervals. It is, however, the statistical directorate who have provided a table that misleads by using 5% point intervals. The first 7 schools are Welsh Medium the rest English Medium and underneath I have averaged the FSM entitlement across WM and EM schools separately so that you can see that they are equal.<br /><br />Ysgol Dyffryn Ogwen Bethesda 15.26 <br />Ysgol Uwchradd Bodedern 15.36 <br />Ysgol Gyfun Rhydywaun 16.03 <br />Ysgol Gyfun Gymraeg Llangynwyd 16.05 <br />Ysgol Uwchradd Aberteifi 16.06 <br />Ysgol Dyffryn Aman 16.88 <br />Ysgol Gyfun Cymer Rhondda 17.47 <br />Ysgol Aberconwy 15.08<br /> <br />Newbridge School 15.24 <br />Cardinal Newman R.C. 15.27 <br />West Monmouth School 15.39 <br />Ysgol Maesydderwen 15.46 <br />Penyrheol Comprehensive School 15.56 <br />Llantarnam School 15.7 <br />Tasker-Milward V.C. School 16.04 <br />Cefn Saeson Comprehensive School 16.24 <br />Cwmtawe Community School 16.27 <br />Ysgol Gyfun Emlyn 16.3 <br />YSGOL BRO GWAUN 16.32<br /> <br />Newtown High School 16.4 <br />Flint High School 16.9 <br />Prestatyn High School 16.99 <br />Ysgol John Bright 17.09 <br />St Joseph's RC School and 6th Form Centre 17.09 <br />Brynmawr Foundation School 17.13 <br />St John Lloyd Catholic Comp School 17.36 <br />WM average 16.15<br />EM average 16.20Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com